Comments on: Abel and Ready http://www.sporcic.org/2009/04/abel-and-ready/ Blog of Tim Sporcic Mon, 01 Mar 2010 14:34:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Erik Weibust http://www.sporcic.org/2009/04/abel-and-ready/comment-page-1/#comment-161 Erik Weibust Mon, 04 May 2009 22:27:02 +0000 http://www.sporcic.org/?p=342#comment-161 Nice post, but I still am not comfortable with the Oracle purchase. You and Rod both tell very different stories, but neither works. Oracle owns the JCP and I'm afraid they're in charge. It would be horrible if we end up having a bunch of versions of Java. There is a Red Hat version, one in Apache, the OpenJDK, and none of them have any traction. People use Sun JDK. Erik Nice post, but I still am not comfortable with the Oracle purchase. You and Rod both tell very different stories, but neither works. Oracle owns the JCP and I’m afraid they’re in charge. It would be horrible if we end up having a bunch of versions of Java. There is a Red Hat version, one in Apache, the OpenJDK, and none of them have any traction. People use Sun JDK.

Erik

]]> By: Tim http://www.sporcic.org/2009/04/abel-and-ready/comment-page-1/#comment-160 Tim Mon, 04 May 2009 17:37:09 +0000 http://www.sporcic.org/?p=342#comment-160 I played with GWT, but I'm not a fan of the codegen "all one language" philosophy. The web is about XHTML, JavaScript and CSS, and I would rather work in those directly than a Java library that magically generates the code. -Tim I played with GWT, but I’m not a fan of the codegen “all one language” philosophy. The web is about XHTML, JavaScript and CSS, and I would rather work in those directly than a Java library that magically generates the code.

-Tim

]]> By: Nicholas Orr http://www.sporcic.org/2009/04/abel-and-ready/comment-page-1/#comment-158 Nicholas Orr Sun, 03 May 2009 16:25:51 +0000 http://www.sporcic.org/?p=342#comment-158 How come your not using the ExtJS GWT stuff? Even though you are doing client side code your still inside a "proper" debug environment. I had a quick look at GWT too - that is pretty neat if your Java skills are rocking, mine aren't. I really like the ExtJS lib as well. Doing forms "that just work" is great. The only issue with them is I then need my app to follow a strict client/server model. This isn't a bad thing, as now the API gets written at the same time as the app. It takes a bit of extra effort and this goes a bit against the grain of the framework (merb,rails) How come your not using the ExtJS GWT stuff?

Even though you are doing client side code your still inside a “proper” debug environment. I had a quick look at GWT too – that is pretty neat if your Java skills are rocking, mine aren’t.

I really like the ExtJS lib as well. Doing forms “that just work” is great. The only issue with them is I then need my app to follow a strict client/server model. This isn’t a bad thing, as now the API gets written at the same time as the app. It takes a bit of extra effort and this goes a bit against the grain of the framework (merb,rails)

]]> By: Tim http://www.sporcic.org/2009/04/abel-and-ready/comment-page-1/#comment-157 Tim Sun, 03 May 2009 13:36:13 +0000 http://www.sporcic.org/?p=342#comment-157 Thanks, Nicholas. I tend to hop around a bit too. I was playing with Ruby a couple years ago. I really like the syntax and freedom, but since I'm in the "enterprise" space, it was never something that could become a reality. PHP grabs my attention every now and then, and I'm interested to see the final version of 5.3, as it adds a lot of the cool language features I like from Ruby/C#. I solved my hosting problem for Java by using <href="http://www.sporcic.org/2009/03/on-the-cloud/"Mosso</a>. I'm trying to spend more time at the client tier right now with JavaScript and ExtJS. Helps to keep from getting stale. But like a rubber band, I'll always get pulled back to Java. -Tim Thanks, Nicholas. I tend to hop around a bit too. I was playing with Ruby a couple years ago. I really like the syntax and freedom, but since I’m in the “enterprise” space, it was never something that could become a reality. PHP grabs my attention every now and then, and I’m interested to see the final version of 5.3, as it adds a lot of the cool language features I like from Ruby/C#.

I solved my hosting problem for Java by using
. I’m trying to spend more time at the client tier right now with JavaScript and ExtJS. Helps to keep from getting stale. But like a rubber band, I’ll always get pulled back to Java.

-Tim ]]> By: Nicholas Orr http://www.sporcic.org/2009/04/abel-and-ready/comment-page-1/#comment-156 Nicholas Orr Sun, 03 May 2009 12:12:49 +0000 http://www.sporcic.org/?p=342#comment-156 Plus other languages are starting to show up on the JVM now, which is pretty neat. I started on the Java path, then read about C# and was intrigued. A break from IT occurred. I came back to developing websites and started with PHP and now I'm at ruby. The power & ease of ruby is awesome! For a moment there I longed for the strict structure of Java. However the reality of Java's resource requirement was getting in the way, hosting Java web stacks cost more than ruby or php. This matters a lot when the money going out isn't coming back in... However that argument is slowly going away with Google's endorsement of Java in App Engine. I went to the Google event held here in Sydney and was really inspired. I've installed Eclipse again and played with the basics however there is a fair bit to get upto speed on again... For now I think I'll stick to ruby ;) Enjoyed your story adaptation too by the way. Plus other languages are starting to show up on the JVM now, which is pretty neat.

I started on the Java path, then read about C# and was intrigued. A break from IT occurred. I came back to developing websites and started with PHP and now I’m at ruby. The power & ease of ruby is awesome! For a moment there I longed for the strict structure of Java. However the reality of Java’s resource requirement was getting in the way, hosting Java web stacks cost more than ruby or php. This matters a lot when the money going out isn’t coming back in…

However that argument is slowly going away with Google’s endorsement of Java in App Engine. I went to the Google event held here in Sydney and was really inspired. I’ve installed Eclipse again and played with the basics however there is a fair bit to get upto speed on again… For now I think I’ll stick to ruby ;)

Enjoyed your story adaptation too by the way.

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